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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:34 pm

Of course he'll need to blue himself.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Fri Feb 16, 2018 7:39 pm

That's right, I forgot about the blue man group. He'll also have to be an aspiring thespian. And/or a Sue Storm impersonator.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:45 pm

Plus he'll need some garishly clothed would be thespians posing as pirates to complete the picture.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Sat May 19, 2018 2:35 pm

So I've just noticed there is yet another CK2 upcoming DLC, Holy Fury. Like many previous DLCs, it doesn't seem to add all that much to the game, but there is a new sort of society you can join as a pagan, the warrior lodge. They added a bloodline element, so if your character is a descendant of a great king or emperor, you get a bonus trait. The religious system has been reworked, if I understand correctly. There's also new options to charm or provoke neighbors. Plus many many small changes and tweaks.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Sat May 19, 2018 3:44 pm

Yes, it does sound good for reformed Pagans.

There is also a coronation mechanic which looks interesting.

Of course they're asking for 19.99 for it which is way too much IMHO (will have to shop around and see if there is a discount).

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Mon May 21, 2018 4:07 pm

Even though it will be released soon, maybe it will be on sale in the Steam summer sale?

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Tue May 22, 2018 9:47 am

It won't be on sale on Steam. They are milking the fanbase dry. I used to defend them but considering the pattern with every game they make and publish I can't really say I support what they're doing anymore. It's ok to go for that sort of thing when you're targeting a niche but considering how they've expanded and how they've grown in the last five years it's difficult to justify sticking to that business model especially in this day and age when you can get complete games for much less money than what they're asking for a DLC that only adds a few things (and will break the game until they manage to patch and fix it).

Especially now that they lump everything together so you can't skip the cosmetic stuff to save a few bucks...

And I'm not even getting into the argument that DLC content vs patch content doesn't really make sense because in many cases the DLC stuff should probably have been included in a free patch (but some would say they would never have made that content if they weren't making money out of it).

In any case, the best bet is to look for a discount at Green Man Gaming or Win Game Store.

My personal rule is to skip any other Paradox game until they're done with CK2 (I've got my eyes on Imperator Rome so hopefully by then CK2 will be complete). I simply can't justify to myself spending that amount of money on DLC stuff for more than a game no matter how much I like it (and I really do like CK2).

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Fri Aug 10, 2018 1:31 am

I'm just throwing this on here... we'll probably never see the light of it (and it might be not be such a good idea, as Paradox is slipping into Electronic Arts level of arseholery), but I'd be interested in knowing what the company would have in store for a new installment.

Unless you're really tired of hearing me babbling about my story (please say so if you are), I've picked up my CK2 game in the last couple of days. I covered a lot of ground, so sorry for this very long post.  Embarassed

When last I gave news about my Viking emperor Steinn, he had just conquered most of what was left of catholic England. There was only one county holding out. Needless to say, I made quick work of it. I then turned my gaze towards southern Ireland. Back a inheritance or two, the three sons of the late emperor had decided to go independent once the successor inherited. While I was busy taking care of the first two, the third son (dumbass) had lost the three southern most counties in Ireland to the Kingdom of Navarra (comprised of northeast Spain and Brittany). After regaining one of the counties a few years ago, I decided to go after another one. It was fairly easy, since the Kingdom's territory is spread out. Only one county to go before all of UK is mine!! (but I have to wait 5 years to avoid being a trucebreaker).

I passed the time by raiding and attacking an independent tribal chief in Poland. I also slipped in a Blot (those are great! Laughing). Before long, 5 years had elapse. On the very day the truce expired, I declared war. Not only that, I immediately joined my English king's war against the same opponent (my vassal was trying to gain a foothold in Brittany by conquering Rennes). Knowing both wars would be won or lost together, I thought it was a great way to make a dent into Navarra and jam my finger in mainland Western Europe. They were no match for the vikings' might, so UK completely went under my control!

In the meantime, I continued my custom of looking out for martially talented females. I need my shieldmaiden amazon bodyguards, of course. My favorite is to "corrupt" catholic female prisoners by taking them as concubines, showering them with gifts, demanding their religious conversion and appointing them as shieldmaidens (provided they meet the prerequisites). This is how Ksenia, a Pomeranian noble taking prisoner during a conquest, became my latest warrior chick. Unfortunately, Steinn's wife (since forever) died of a natural death. I thought about "promoting" Ksenia, but I noticed a catholic noble in a vassal's court (why that vassal didn't force his guy to convert, I don't know) had nice martial skills (all other candidate had shit stats). I took 23 year old Jasminne as my new wife (converting her to norse, of course).

Looking for my next target, I noticed a major opportunity. The Carpathian Empire, one of the major player (if not THE major), was engaged in a major civil war (roughly half fighting the other half). As the war score was just 4%, I hoped I had enough time to stick my finger in. While looking through potential casus belli, I notice Ksenia, my new amazon, has a claim on the Pomeranian duchy (2 Carpathian counties, owned by legitimate Carpathia). The neat thing about that is those two counties would connect Danemark to my northeastern European territories. So I go forward with it. It's a bloody battle, but with half the empire battling them too, I only encountered one or two 18 000 soldiers stacks. Sure enough, I finally was able to get the war effort to 100%. I just then remembered that a claimant needs to be landed, or else s(he) becomes independent. So I hurriedly booted the priest of a temple in one of my holdings and gave the title to Ksenia. I accepted Carpathia's surrender and admired my two new counties.  Cool  I thought it'd be a good idea to play both sides, so I declared war on the Carpathian revolt in order to nab some of their territory too. Unfortunately, the civil war ended just as I was almost finished grouping my army, so my casus belli fell through. In hindsight, I really really should have declared both wars simultaneously.... :/   After the dust settled, I had hoped Ksenia would still be my concubine, but I guess it's fair that a duchess isn't bound to be a lowly sex slave... Laughing   What's really cool is since Ksenia got her title as a landed religious leader, she founded a theocracy and took the "arch-priestess" title, which I thought was rather neat. Then I thought "Steinn is the "Cleansing Flame". He's a zealot and was married with Illiana "the inquisitor" for most of his life. The guy probably has a hard on thinking about Odin rubbing butter on his chest". So I couldn't leave it like that. I divorced poor Jasminne and married Ksenia, now arch-priestess empress. What's funny, though, is I noticed Jasminne was still hanging around my court, so I took her as a concubine. As she was germanic and had a nice martial stat, I appointed her a shieldmaiden. From empress to bodyguard sex slave. Oh well, not everyone can have it all. Laughing

A few years passed as I was putting things in order around my empire, when fully controlled Carpathia messaged me saying "Filthy pathetic beasts, Poland belongs to me. Give it to me now, or suffer hell's fury". "Oh yeah? you'll only get Poland out of my dead cold hands, bible humping morons!", I answered. (I'm paraphrasing.... Razz ). I was kind of stressed about it, though. It would probably be my biggest challenge so far. Carpathia is a major major player. So we both assembled our armies and started to skirmish around our borders. It really was the clash of titans, evenly matched fights of stacks of 18 000 / 20 000 soldiers. The biggest battle was their 36 000 soldiers against my 34 000 (Battle of Grunwall style). I don't know if it's because of my generals (all three are between 26 and 23 in martial) or the composition of my troops, but I managed to pull out a win, despite being outnumbered. I'm convinced that battle settled the outcome of the war, because that was basically all I had. My men even managed to corner the emperor and slay him in that battle. It didn't change anything really, since his son took over the war, but still. After that, it was mopping up the stacks that appeared. I masterfully timed some battles so I hit a smaller number of their main stacks that was travelling a little slower than the rest between counties. I also had to fight against two enemies : Carpathia and attrition. Man, attrition is a bitch when doing some high level fighting (I'm not saying anything bad about it. I'm just saying it complicates everything). I had to navigate and time my movements.  In the end, I managed to basically eliminate enough of his forces to get that 100% war effort and net a 850 gold they owed me for my troubles (aside from the ego boost from winning against a main rival.  Cool  ).

Next up, I'm thinking the Russian territory is due for a little trimming.  Twisted Evil  (and since Russia is not catholic, I can nab more territory by waging holy wars for duchies since I'm not scared of kingdoms banning together). I just hope Steinn is going to hold on. He's now 59 and keeps getting stressed out all the time. The garden I constructed in my capital helps a lot, as does his vassals frequently invite him to party. So finger crossed!

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Fri Aug 10, 2018 2:12 am

Bonus : Here's a screenshot of Europe :
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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:44 am

Wow, quite the story and it's fun to see Carpathia coming out as the big dog (never happened in any of my games).

Loved the bit about the shield maidens, you're putting the roleplaying in the game and that's how CK2 shines

As for CK3 it needs to bring enough to the table for me to even consider getting it at this point because the investment is ridiculous and personally I have been putting off playing CK2 waiting for the next DLC and subsequent patch.

I guess 64 bit support will be an improvement but they would have to add more than that to make a sequel worth the investment for long time players.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Yesterday at 3:43 pm

I agree that the investment in CK2 was considerable. If they do indeed ship out a CK3, they better not pull an Electronic Arts and make the third an upgrade on the second vanilla game with all of CK2's DLC content becoming eventual CK3 DLC content (exactly what EA did when they released The Sims 3). In the interview, the Paradox executive said the game has gotten to the breaking point where adding extra content will make the game buckle under its weight. So if they have ideas for new content and functionalities for CK, they have to go build a new system and rethink the whole game. That's why I'd be curious of the direction they would push the game into (hopefully, not the Firaxis direction, with regards to Civ 5 and 6).

So yeah, Emperor Steinn conquered two independent counties in Carpathian territory, but close to the Scandinavian border. He also pushed hard to fufill his life's vision: equality between men and women. Having raised women's rights a couple of times during his rule, he had met popular acceptance to push ultimate equality, as well as revisit inheritance laws so both genders would inherit under the same basis. He then went back towards his conquest and attacked Rus for two counties bordering on his territory. However, he was never able to see the end of his war, for natural death took him on a new journey.

Enter his designated heir and now Emperor, Vagn Bertilsson Trönde. Vagn has nice martial skills (18), but the drop from Steinn's 24 diplomacy to Vagn's 12 is a sheer drop. But the big bummer is that Vagn is 57. Neutral    All of Steinn's children inherited a county (having both women and men inheriting means that while more people get chucks of the demesne, the chunks are smaller and thus easier to take back...). A couple of the brood declared independence, but were quickly swayed to come back in the fold. Securing the vassals support is more problematic as relationships isn't as high and money has to be thrown at the factions sprouting like weeds. But nothing alarming so far. There's a minor king that's a pain in the ass (minus 68 relationship, but it's mainly my fault. I booted him out of my council while playing with Steinn, since he was malcontent and his favour repaying collegues on the council were gridlocking everything, paying him off with gifts would have cost more than 200 gold. Screw that.)

So I squashed Rus (almost all of my losses were due to attrition, not enemy forces... Laughing ) and won the two counties, took back most of Steinn's lost demesne from his brood, helped two vassals conquer the northern half of Brittany, all is well so far, if a bit rocky. But at now 62, I'm expecting Vagn to kick the bucket at any time. And for the first time, it seems the likely heir will be a woman! (22 years old to boot. Nice diplomacy, but that's about it, unfortunately. I like the guy I'm supporting for heir better, but oh well, that's how it goes in an elective gravelkind. At least the woman isn't a leper! Laughing ).

Oh, and I though Steinn's "Cleansing Flame" nickname was cool. After defeating Rus (in a holy war), Vagn earned "The Sword of Odin".

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Yesterday at 7:14 pm

Hell yeah, that is truly epic! I love the nicknames and the idea of getting gender equality is incredibly refreshing. Can't wait to see how the next ruler is going to work with that gender thing. The times I did end up with a female ruler it was interesting to say the least. The most important thing is to make sure the heir is of your dynasty. Hopefully the lady is not going to marry off some random dude before you get to control her.

Regarding CK3 I see no reason why they wouldn't pull the same trick EA or Firaxis did. It's so much easier for them to do so. How do you suppose they are going to implement all the features we have in CK2? That won't happen anytime soon and if Hearts of Iron 4 is any indication we already know that they will improve on the game but that they will also come up with a boatload of dlcs. With that being said, CK2 is too bloated and it has been so since they decided to include India. The game badly needs 64bit support at this point.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Yesterday at 7:49 pm

Yeah, I'm liking my game so far. I like playing the vikings a lot more than catholic nobles. Twisted Evil I think they added nicknames with some DLCs, because from time to time, I see new ones I never saw before.

My likely heir is already married. I can always divorce the husband and arrange a matrilineal marriage. But I think right now, for me, the dangers are null. As I am in an elective gravelkind, any member of my dynasty can be a possible heir. At this point, my vikings have had so many children I have kin everywhere! Laughing My first character had something like 10 children. Having a wife as well as three concubines really helps. In fact, I think, in the 8 rulers I have played so far, at least half were children of concubines. As for losing titles, if your new characters inherits claims on lost titles, all other vassals are fine with you revoking them. You can always fabricate a claim on them if you don't inherit claims. The only negative thing of having a female ruler, as far as I can see, is that you still get a -15 relationship hit with vassals for being a female ruler (even though you have full women rights).

It's fine if they remove some features brought on by DLCs because you don't want your new game to be oppressively heavy, but EA really pushed the enveloped. I remember paying for a "university life" DLC for The Sims 2. The Sims 3 had no university level... which was added by a later "university life" DLC.

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