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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Tue Aug 13, 2013 11:29 pm

Yeah, damn right! They didn't have enough creativity when they made that game! jocolor

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Wed Aug 14, 2013 1:59 pm

Duke David was uneasy with the duke of Gascogne/Poitou. The latter had a claim on Bordeaux and Aquitaine, so David knew something would happen. As he had a claim on Limousin and Angoulême, he didn't want to defend himself against the other duke only to be prevented from warring for the claims 10 years after (because of a truce). So he decided to strike first. Duke David declared was and pressed his claim for Limousin (which would unite his territory a wee bit, as La Marche, Périgord and Auvergne were all around Limousin. He had 13 counties and the other duke 10, so it would be tight. The other duke had an alliance with another duchy, which he called in. Things were getting hairier. After raising their respected soldiers and uniting them into a single army, a quick observation was made. David had around 7000 soldiers, which was en route to attack duke Josselin's 6000 that was besieging David's county of Agen. However, another 4000 of Josselin's army and ally was roaming near Toulouse. David knew he had to do something to at least smash his enemy's armies. As he had a lot of gold set aside, he hired two mercenary armies of 3000 each. He had enough money for the initial cost, but he wouldn't be able to have them long, as it cost double what David was making.

After a defeat or two and lucky battles, David's armies smashed Josselin's armies in Agen and the mercenaries finally defeated the other enemy soldiers. David immediately let go the more expensive of the two, so his expenses was now almost equal to his revenue. He proceeded to liberate Agen as well as invade and occupy Limousin. With Josselin's armies gone, it wasn't that hard of a fight. David was however very surprised to see that Josselin was now dead from a suspicious incident. David surmised he wasn't the only one that noticed Josselin's ambition. As he was now the most powerful duke in France, David knew he should watch himself.

The war ended and the levies were dismissed, with Limousin safely tucked away in David's territory. As Josselin was dead, Gascogne and Poitou were no longer under the same duke. Though it wasn't the ideal situation, as the heir of one duchy was the duke of the other. If something happened to one of the dukes, the territory would once again be reunited. They were allies as well, so in essence, the opposition would be the same if David pushed a claim. That's when David noticed the county of Dax, in Gascogne, wasn't part of the duchy. In the process of the Gascogne succession, Dax declared war to push another count at the head of the duchy. This was a golden opportunity for David. He sent a message to Dax saying he would back them in the war. Having a new unaligned duke would clearly isolate the two duchies.

So another war followed, that of the duchies of Toulouse/Aquitaine/Bourbon, the county of Dax and its ally, the duchy of Champagne in northern France VS the duchies of Gascogne, Poitou and another near Rennes (forgot the name). As Gascogne and Poitu were already tapped out, it was a quick mop up. With a new duke in place, David's future enemies were divided. David also got an unexpected boon: as well as being spymaster for France, the king also named him Master of horses for his continued loyalty.

David's chancellor was able to make a claim on Dax. That was a very good news, as with one county in a duchy, David was able to take over the duchy claim twice before.

David's son also came of age. He looked to have him marry quickly, in order to secure grandchildren. Something unexpected came about. In the list of potential brides was the underaged (14 years old) duchess of Province, the southern HRE duchy, also bordering the Toulouse duchy. The two were betrothed and eventually married. So their heir would gain all of David's territory as well as the southernmost HRE duchy. Unfortunately, the Province county was independent (the Province duchy was comprised of three neighboring counties), but still, that would be a huge gain without having to fight the HRE.

In the meantime, the countess of Rouergue chose that moment to rise up in rebellion, along with the count of Foix. The idiots overlooked the fact that David's soldiers were coming home from the war for the new duke of Gascogne. The levies hadn't yet been dismissed and were thus already united under one army and ready to fight. The rebellion didn't last long, with both counts being imprisoned. However, as the crown authority wasn't what it needed to be, David didn't have the right to revoke a title. So he had to relase the countess of Rouergue from prison and plot to remove her title. She refused and it once again resulted in war. David was able to brign her down and finally dispose of her. In the meantime, the law was changed and David was able to revoke the Foix's count's title. He gave both to loyal courtiers and his lands once again knew peace.

Unfortunately, the count of Forenz, in the HRE territory, fabricated a claim on Melgueil. That was a very bad news, as he already had to many HRE players that had claims on his neighboring territories. As David was 56, he will probably have to forget about Dax. The claim is not transferable to his heir and David will probably have to use his time to remove as much HRE courtiers that have claims on his territories as possible. The last thing he wanted was for the HRE armies to breathe down his neck. That would be a pretty rotten gift to his heir.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:42 pm

There was a game play addition with the 1.11 patch that was neat : You can now see the backers you added to a particular plot before they answer (it frequently happened to we, while adding backers, that I asked myself "did I invite him? don't remember"). A green dot on the upper left corner of the character picture appears when he accepts to back the plot.

And can I also complain on a (very) small detail? What does it take to change the roman number designation to same first name characters in your dynasty?? I have had three or four "Marc" and at least two "Sébastien", but they're all "the first". I like the history richness of having a characters named "the fourth" or something, but my feeling is it applies only to same characters of same rank. But having character of same first name and same dynasty name can become confusing (even for the diegesis characters). My two cents...

So on with the story :

The HRE situation turned out to be a lot simpler than first thought. As he had a lot of gold set aside (going through three small successive wars did nothing to reduce his treasury, in fact, with all his armies raised, David still makes around 10 or 11 gold coins per month). In a quick lookover, three HRE nobles have claims on some of duke David's territory. He had the count of Forez and the countess of Provence successfully assassinated to prevent the HRE leader from having a cause to attack France and his duchy. The third character to have a claim is his heir's wife, so HRE would be idotic to attack his territory as she is technically heir to it (though their children will be of the father's dynasty). It also means that, upon his heir's wife, their heir will inherit both David's territory and three HRE counties (he hoped that in her lifetime, his daughter-in-law would annex Provence, but that might be wishful thinking).

With that threat out of the way, David mopped up Rouergue's countess' rebellion. Having a fifth county under his power meant he had to get rid of one. He decided to once again give Rouergue away. He liked having his bloodline as vassals (who can you trust if you can't trust your blood?). His brother Guillaume as well as his three sisters all were counts. His other brother, Sébastien, was dead (from an illness), but as he had been a very ambitious man, he was always looked over. Duke David decided to rectify that slight in giving Rouergue over to Sébastien's son, also named Sébastien.

Still aged 56, with everything dandy, duke David decided to go ahead and try to claim Dax, as it would have slipped through his heir's fingers since the claim wasn't inheritable. He attacked the duchy of Gascogne and quickly overwhelmed the defenders with his soldiers.

While his armies were besieging Dax, the Pope called for a crusade, which the king of France promptly joined. Duke David was conscripted at the army's head. In an attack on Jerusalem, duke David was cut down as his army won the day. The mantle of leadership suddenly fell down on his son, the now-duke Marc. The latter was also brought in the crusade, winning a few battles which earned him a "Crusader" title.

On the home front, Gascogne eventually folded and Dax was annexed to Toulouse. As soon as peace settle, duke Marc looked at the succession consequences. Fortunately, it was a lot less worse then expected. Most of the counts had a healthy respect for his authority, one or two only were bordering on indifference and only one actively disrespected him : the countess of Bordeaux and Agen, as she had claims on both the counties and the duchy. Duke Marc arranged for an "accident" for the countess and all was soon well among the feudal vassals. The same contentment was present in his court and on his council, so duke Marc turned his gaze to the next phase of Toulouse's expansion. His new chancellor, a prince of the HRE who married his aunt, had been stationed in Saintonge to fabricate a claim by duke David. He send word to Marc that while he hadn't forged a claim on the county, he was able to get a claim on the whole duchy. That was excellent news, which would not only permit Marc to finally annex their Angoulême county, wich was his by de jure right as it was part of his Aquitaine duchy, but he would also claim 4 other counties and remove a powerful player in France (besides Marc, the second duke who had to most counties had 6, the Dijon duke). He would return to Gascogne afterwards.

He would also have to use conventional tactics to annex duchies, as Marc had absolutely no capabilities in intrigue. That would mean fabrication of claims and as Gascogne, for example, was comprised of 4 counties, he would need to annex 3 in order to have a jury right for duchy. One down two to go!

Marc's wife also gave birth to a boy, so the succession was assured, for a little while, at least.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Fri Aug 16, 2013 9:38 am

I once had two brothers who had the same Christian name... That really sucks.

It's fun to end up playing characters with different traits. It adds much variety to the game.

The Crusader trait is nice to have but I'm a big fan of the voice of Jesus trait. It's hilarious.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Mon Sep 16, 2013 7:30 pm

Been a while since I had time to play, but I played a lot of CK 2 over the week-end. My game is definitely becoming more epic. Very Happy This post might be a bit long, sorry.. Smile

Duke Marc had the duchies of Toulouse, Aquitaine and Bourbon firmly in his grasp. He was still very young, in his late twenties, so he knew his legacy would undoubtedly outweigh his inheritance. He started his expansion plan by taking over the Poitou duchy. After a quick war,the duchy was his. However, the former duke still had both the provinces of Saintonge and Poitier. Marc's father, David, had a lot of trouble when the same duke had ruled over Poitou and Gascogne. In a succession crisis, the duchies had been separated between two sons. The problem that duke Marc has now in front of him is a duke that hates his guts for usurping his title, but that his heir is still the duke of Gascogne. By assassinating the former duke, the territory falls out of Marc's control. He would have to endure it for the moment. There was also the matter of a few counts that were starting to refuse paying the taxes. They didn't seem to respect Marc's authority, so something would have to be done. As Marc had no capacity for intrigue, he didn't understand nor was able to form coherent plots and see them through. He resorted to the good old ways and had them assassinated. Only on one of the three was his name divulged and that caused problems with the heir, but nothing a few gold coins couldn't fix.

In the meantime, his wife, the duchess of Provence, in the HRE, had two other boys. Marc, the heir, now had the company of brothers Victor and Lucien.

His territory secured, duke Marc looked at where he could expand. His family had coveted Gascogne for a while, but he had trouble building a claim. With Dax now under his control, only three counties remained : Marsan, Armagnac and the duchy capital, Bearn. So Marc bid his time and after a few years, he was able to forge a claim on Marsan. As he looked over the other provinces, he saw the former duke of Poitou had a claim on Armagnac. This gave Marc an idea : he would push the former duke's claim, wait until the truce ends or he killed the duchess of Gascogne, then claim Marsan. That would only leave Bearn to deal with in due time. The former duke of Poitou hated Marc, but backing his claim would turn the tide nicely in the relationship. It would do nicely.

Everything went according to plan. Armagnac was fought for and claimed by Marc. Only, the former duke still hated him, as his hatred was deeper than Marc had evaluated. Maybe it would serve another purpose : Marc only had to incite a rebellion and he would then take back Armagnac. And maybe do that in cycles and also take back the other two provinces.

Something unexpected also happened. Marc's wife fled to his court with her parents and brother. She lost a powerstruggle with someone and had Provence taken from her. That disrupted Marc's plans a bit, as he wanted that territory for his son, but it wasn't dramatic.

Marc also noticed one of his counts had a claim on Penthievre, in the Northern France territory that belonged to the petty king of Brittany. He decided to go ahead and went to war with Brittany, as it would bring more provinces in France's control anyway. After a quick war, his count was firmly in place. As luck would have it, he was able to quickly forge a claim on Naples, who was between Penthievre and the Poitou duchy, so his territory would be linked. Over time, claims on the kindom of Brittany itself was fabricated, as well as the duchy of Anjou. After multiple wars and waiting periods and assassinations, Marc had annexed all those provinces. Marsan and even the county of Rosello, in the Aragon kingdom, which Marc had fought for his brother-in-law and chancellor, soon followed.

Two factions among his land arrose. One pushing his sister, Catherine, for the head position and the other pushing for a seniority succession reform (it was on primogeniture as it was). Neither were options and while he was fighting one of his conquests, his territory erupted in civil war. More than half of his vassals opposed him. As he was making a lot of coin, Marc used his available levies as well as a lot of mercenaries to crush the different factions. It ended with three counts and his sister in prison. One of these counts was his thorn in the side, the former count of Poitou. As luck would have it, the law in France didn't permit the vassals to revoke titles, so Marc had decisions to make. He released one count, Bernat-Ezi, with whom he still had a good relationship. It was a gamble as he was the leader of the faction to put his sister on the throne. The latter he kept in prison to prevent that very eventuality, though he upgraded her to house arrest. She was his sister after all. The other two, he let rot in Jail. As it would develop, they both died from disease. Their heirs were a lot more sympathetic to his cause.

Another count had partaken in the rebellion, but was out of his reach. Count Milo had Guévaudan and Penthievre, but just before the rebellion, the King of France had created the duchy of Auvergne, which was non existent at the time. After the rebellion was repressed, Milo was now duke of Auvergne and out of Marc's hands. Marc didn't waste time. He found a courtier that had a claim on Guévaudan and retook that province (which was in the midst of his territory as well, so it was important).

With Penthievre and Bearn left, Marc, now just 50 years old, tried to fish claims on the other northern France territories. He also had news that the duke of Dijon (6 counties) now favored him as heir to the throne of France (elective succession). It was an unexpected support that pleased Marc and prompted him to create a Marc for France factions. Dijon's duke joined that faction. An unexpected gift also came to him. The pope sent a message : he would be happy to see Marc on the throne and gave him a claim on France.

The was one thing that bugged him : the elective succession. As the claim the pope gave him would be inherited, it was more important for Marc to lead a faction to reform the succession law to primogeniture. He did that and France erupted in civil war. Marc was afraid of the outcome, but it was short lived : while it took time, Marc crushed France's army and won the war. The law was changed. So at 55, Marc still had time to win the war. But he wanted a breather to retrain troops first.

However, opportunity arose : Provence, who was now independant from the HRE, was engaged in a war. So Marc pushed his wife's claim, assaulted Provence and won the day. HE had no control over the territory, but only hoped his wife wouldn't muck everything up.

While he was fighting for Provence, he was dealt a big blow : his spymaster discovered a plot where his heir, now a count and his vassal, was trying to kill him. His second son, Victor, had died from disease in his late teens / early twenties and his youngest son was an ambitious fellow. Things weren't going good. Marc tried to have his heir end his plotting, but he would have none of it. He tried to imprison him, but the heir resisted and rebelled. As luck would have it, after a year of fighting, the heir succumbed to an outbreak of measle. Marc's grandson continued the fight, but Marc was able to negotiate a white peace, as his grandson, Marc de Perigord, wasn't his enemy. Marc also feared Lucien's ambition. Duke Marc's heir was now Marc de Perigord, but his wife's heir in Provence was Lucien. Fearing a succession hell, Marc reluctantly used half of his treasury to have Lucien assassinated.

Soon afterwards, another very VERY unexpected news came to Marc : France went to war with HRE. That was normal in itself, but France's war was to put duke Marc on the HRE throne!! Marc had no choice, he raised all the levy he possibly could, as well as a three large mercenary bands (which he couldn't afford forever, but that helped a lot in the meantime) and headed for HRE (which had lost a lot of power in the last decade, as a lot of HRE duchies had become independant).

Opportunist come out when it's raining as it were, so Normandy rebelled for the throne France and the kingdom of Aragon attacked Marc for Rosello. The latter was not a big deal, as he didn't care for the province and could always get it back later. But the french rebellion was a major setback, as large french armies that were battling alongside Marc's own soldiers were diverted to France. As it was, the French were at 55% of success against the HRE. What worried Marc, however, was the his diminishing numbers that were only used (successfully, but still) against the HRE armies. No counties were besieged, so Marc found himself fighting waves after waves after waves. He needed to keep pushing but didn't know how long he could hold....

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Tue Sep 17, 2013 1:19 pm

I had a few minutes to play last night. France and I were successful in our bid to put my character on the throne of the HRE. But what's funny, is that I still got to keep my 2/3 of France that I was controlling. I guess the AI was horrible, since the King basically handed over 2/3 of his kingdom to the largest empire of Europe. And the leader he put of that throne has a strong claim for the rest of his kingdom.... *clap, clap, clap*

I need advice. I have a lot of vassals and they all hate my guts, every single one I have (even the ones I had before). When I checked it out, I noticed I had a -60 relationship hit with all my vassals because I held too many titles (my 6 or 8 duchies). Now, who should I give my duchies to? Counts that are reliable (especially those with the "content" trait), or should I give them to a courtier who doesn't hold a county in the hope that not control any counties directly makes him weaker?

In the few days after I got the throne, at least 3 factions for the throne arose. One in particular has a LOT of vassals backing it up, so civil war is probably close behind.... ugh... I went from a quiet game with an upstart to a game of king of the hill on a very high and steep hill. Ugh, welcome to the big leagues, I guess... Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Tue Sep 17, 2013 5:41 pm

I've been working on a computer all day so I'm too tired to read the entire post so I've just had a quick look at it but I'll read it again more carefully, it looks like a fascinating game! Smile

When it comes to granting land to vassals you have to be careful that they don't become too powerful or form alliances with foreign powers (if you want to give land to a courtier make sure you marry him first to someone who is not a threat). You also have to look for their heirs. You don't want to make a Duke that controls much land in that Duchy so you should look for puny vassals. Remember that Dukes can be involved with factions so they can be a pain. Bottom line it's a very complex question and you should really take the time to figure out what your options are.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:56 pm

I tried to play my game a bit. Reloaded a couple times in fact. Same thing happens : Almost all of the HRE rebels against me. I could squash a minor rebellion easily. A major one would be a challenge but doable. But an upscale revolt is beyond what I can do. I don't have the monetary ressources to spam multiples mercenary armies and what armies I do have are outnumbered. The worst of it is that I'm not even that hated. Most of the HRE vassals like me well enough. But they all still fall behind the first rebellion that errupts. I don't quite know what my options are. I don't know what happens if I lose. Do I still get to keep the 2/3 of France that I controled before I was put on the HRE throne? Probably not since I gave all the duchies away (which I have to do anyway since ALL the vassals hate my guts when I hold all my duchy titles). So I guess they remain part of the HRE?

Ugh, there's a chance I might just reload from before the King of France declared war on the HRE to put me on the throne. A lot less complicated and easier to play my chess match. :/

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:12 pm

I can't really help as I haven't been the head of a major empire yet. I believe the game is set so that staying in power is a challenge. Factions are a real pain and the part about vassals that like you turning against you is a bit nonsensical.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:36 pm

Yeah, I know. And because I was a foreign conqueror, I got a huge relationship hit with my HRE vassals. Still, it's stupid that all those vassals with whom I had a positive relationship value don't stand with me against the rebels... :/

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Wed Sep 25, 2013 1:47 pm

I was thinking about this in my car this morning on the way to work and it occurred to me that I've been going at this all wrong. I'm a very methodical gamer in general. In CK 2, I l like to methodically build up my territory piece by piece to have it as solid as it can be. In the present situation, I'm thrust in a lose-lose situation and I'm still thinking along the same terms.

I have to think long term :  my character has to give away his duchy titles, or else absolutely everyone hates him because they think he's a dictator who wants to hold all the power. When war breaks out, I will lose it (my only hope would have been either pockets of rebellion that I would squash one by one or infighting among the rebels, but both are impossible because the majority of HRE vassals are allied under the same rebellion war). My character will lose some prestige and be jailed. Being 63, he will probably not last long. But by previously giving away all the duchies to my heir instead of scattering them among loyal vassals, when my heir does take over, he will still be 6 times duke, just like my present character was before being put on the HRE throne. The only thing that will have changed is the liege and banner that my character belongs to. My heir will still have the claim on France's throne and he will no longer be bothered by the HRE frontier that prevented my previous characters from expanding towards central Europe.

So all in all, it might not be a such a drag after all! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:03 pm

I do like the way you're thinking. Remember that you have to make sure your heir has the right wife before you give him titles.

I find that in this game "winning" isn't everything, it's the game that matters.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:00 am

Yeah, I agree. But I hate losing what I worked so hard to gain. That's why the HRE rebellion bothered me so much. However, looking at it right, I can see a way that I still get to keep control over my territory. I just hope my present character kicks the bucket soon. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:05 pm

That can be helped. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Mon Sep 30, 2013 8:40 pm

LOL, something funny happened:

I decided to go ahead with my plan in losing the rebellion but giving my heir all my duchy titles beforehand. Sure enough, one of the faction grew powerful enough to challenge me. War erupted. After a while, I was losing with -13% on the war score. After a few quick battles and routs, I was able to bring it back to +4%, but went back in the minuses after the rebels' main army successfully besieged a few provinces. I decided to go "all in" by sending 90% of my combined armies against his army bulk. I was still outnumbered 13 000 to 20 000, but decided what the hell (since I was not expecting to win this rebellion anyway). After a while, I was losing men and morale a lot faster than the enemy was.

Then, it happened : I got a message saying that during the battle, my men cornered the enemy general, who fought bravely before being killed. It turned out the enemy general was the very prince the rebels were trying to put on the throne!!! I was showing the game to a good buddy of mine and we both busted out laughing. With the prince dead, the rebellion folded and war ended. Laughing

I spent the next two years consolidating my position and now had just a few dukes who disliked me. My character then died at 67 and the heir took over. But I'm now at a crossroads : I quickly tried out a couple of scenarios but I'm not sure what I should do.

- I could hold onto the HRE throne. Things is, I still have to get rid of the duchy titles, but as my new character is 23 and his son is 1, I can't give out the duchies to his heir. Meaning I have to spread them out among the vassals. Meaning If I'm booted off the HRE throne, I'm going back to the beginning of the ladder (count of 4 or 5 provinces, though their squattered among different duchies). I could try to hold on. I still have a -30 relationship hit because i'm seen as a "foreign conqueror" and another -10 because I'm "foreign". I have to over compensate, but I think it might be doable but it's a big risk.

- I could also abdicate once the first rebellion pops up (having kept my duchies). I go back to the 2/3 of France. However, there's a catch : the crown authority is set at medium, meaning I can't wage war against other HRE provinces and duchies. And since my present character is a retard (the way the AI played him when I was still controlling his grandfather), he waged war against France and lost. And so, he has a truce with France so I can't claim France (I have a claim for it) for another 10 years. Makes for a particularly dull game... for a while, at least... :/

What do you think I should do, Cara?

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:00 pm

Now, that was a stroke of luck and an amazing turn of event. I once lost an heir in battle that way so remember it can go both ways but I do enjoy how unpredictable the game can be.

I think that by now you are a much better player than I am. Wink

But holding to the HRE sounds like the most daring objective. Have you considered picking an heir that is not your character's son? An uncle or a brother who has great stats could be a worthy successor and the perfect recipient for the Duchies. Of course you would have to switch to Elective. I'm trying to think outside of the box which is exactly what you've been doing and what can be so rewarding in this game.

In any case I would try and stick to the HRE. It's a gamble and you were lucky the last time but if you go back to playing France you will have to contend with the HRE anyway.

Besides reading how you're trying to retain control of the HRE is simply too interesting and entertaining! Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Tue Oct 01, 2013 4:21 pm

Haha, yeah, it's definitely a gamble. I dislike all the factions popping up. I would also have to figure out a plan B if I lose control of the throne (what do I fall back onto).

I think I misspoke. I'm wouldn't be going back playing France. I had 2/3 of France, but I would still be a part of the HRE and have the HRE emperor as a liege. As I have a claim on the throne of France, I assume that if I conquer it, France would fall into the HRE. I quickly tested the option of abdicating the throne to see what the options were, and the problem would be that as the crown authority is set at medium, it prevents me from claiming other HRE provinces and expanding towards central Europe. My present character also waged war with France (and lost) just before I took control of him, so there's a 10 year truce preventing me from claiming the rest of the French. Meaning either I wait a change in crown authority and the end of the truce, or I try to expand in Spain.

The other option (holding the throne) would be interesting, but I don't know if I would enjoy it all that much. I'm a slow, methodical kind of player and I enjoy the "silently and efficiently amassing more and more power while going unnoticed by the others". Playing king of the hill is really the opposite. But I might try it nonetheless.

Thanks for the idea about the heir. What I dislike about the elective law, is that power can slip through your fingers reeeeeally easily. And seniority succession would be hard since I would always have a "short reign" hit, added to the "foreign" and "foreign conqueror" (although that last one should go away after a while, no?). And I know you can convert to your liege's culture. But if you're the liege, can you convert to your kingdom's culture? It would help... :/

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:12 pm

I think culture can spread around but it takes time and you need to have one religion (use your religious advisor to convert heathens). You can also convert your character to your kingdom's culture through an event.

Bear in mind that if you ever lose the title you can get it back by starting a faction of your own... The tables can be turned.

You're right about Elective. It can be a real pain if you have too many electors but if you gather the titles with a few characters and keep the bulk of the votes on your side you can still pull it off.

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Thu Oct 03, 2013 9:19 pm

Hey, I just thought about something. What if, as the HRE emperor, my guy keeps all the duchy titles and changes the crown authority to limited just before a rebellion. That way, I can abdicate the throne, still get to annex HRE provinces and I'll have the option to convert to my liege's culture. Meaning when I'll carry more weight around, I'll be able to win back the throne and not have to deal with a -40 relationship hit with my HRE vassals (I'll have a hit with my occitan vassals, but i'll be only -10, so that's easy to deal with).

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Thu Oct 03, 2013 10:16 pm

That sounds like a plan and there will be a limited window for expansion (converting to a liege's culture before he changes crown authority) but I think you may just pull it off. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Fri Oct 04, 2013 2:06 am

Not if I change the crown authority before abdicating and convert to my new liege's culture after abdicating. That way, when I'll be able to actually forge claims... *ahem*... use my very legitimate claims on HRE provinces and won't have the foreing bla bla relationship hit in the way.

Anyways, like I said before, I think I wouldn't have liked it so much managing an empire right off the bait with out building it up first.

But this will have to wait a bit. I'm in the process of (finally) finishing The Witcher 1 (I knoooow). I bought the 2nd game on steam and I hadn't finished the first one when I played it in 2011. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:48 pm

I love the first Witcher, it's a great game and I've completed it twice. Unfortunately my computer can't run the Witcher 2 so that put a stop to my interest in the series.

I need to get back to CK2 but right now I'm having a blast playing King's Bounty the Legend. I'm a big fan of the Heroes of Might and Magic series so I'm really enjoying this.

There is a fantasy game on sale right now called Warlock Master of the Arcane, it was developed by Paradox games (the company responsible for CK2) and it looks a lot like Civ V (and I mean a lot) but it's fantasy and sounds like something you and I may enjoy. I haven't decided yet whether to buy it or not (it costs the price of a pack of smokes or a pint of beer so I guess I'm just being cheap) the main problem is that I simply have too many games and not enough time (I haven't been able to play CK2 in quite a while).

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:51 pm

Yeah, I know what you mean. I haven't finished Dead Island yet and haven't even started Left 4 dead 2. I also bought New Vegas on steam, but it crashes when I start the game and I haven't been able to fix it... :*(

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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Fri Oct 04, 2013 6:56 pm

You have to fix FNV, it's the best CRPG I've played in the last decade and almos as good as the original Fallout.

By the way I've just stumbled upon these CK2 trailers: Laughing


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PostSubject: Re: Crusaders Kings 2   Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:02 pm

Haha, funny video, Cara. Smile

I can't seem to find the problem for FNV. Sad I might have to bribe friends into coming to my place and fixing it for me.

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