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PostSubject: Mount and Blade   Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:51 am

Well I did it. Bought the whole package on Steam for 44.99 USD. Pretty good price for all those games.

Started the tutorial and I already love it. I can practice beinga HEMA fighter from the safety of my chair. Very Happy

Already have a question how do you sheath your sword? Did miss something? Love having the shield on the back.


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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:38 pm

Wow, that was quick! You could have saved a bit with a sale but if you end up liking this game as much as I do you won't regret this purchase. Smile

Sheathing should be this key: "\" (at least in Mount & Blade Warband).

Make sure you check the mods in the Workshop or the Nexus website. I recommend Gekokujo (it's in the workshop) if you want a Japanese setting.  

I've just purchased Viking Conquest myself the other day and judging by what I've seen so far it is a great addition (possibly even my favourite so far).  

I'd recommend starting with the native game for a little bit to get your bearings.

While Fire and Sword has a great setting the guns make it a bit hazardous (you risk being shot down by your opponents right away). Still we don't have many games set in this time and place.

Make sure you look at the options, you can change many settings and make the game work for you.

Last but not least there are some sweetfx presets for Warband that can make the game look a bit different:

https://sfx.thelazy.net/games/game/147/

These are not essential by any means but a little more sharpness can go a long way. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:46 pm

Laughing Lets see I got, Mount & Blade, Warband (3 Parts) and Wind Fire and Sword so I ammmm pretty happy. Plus this is a good time for me to have a fun game that is very different from PoE.

Don't worry about spoilers since the main draw of the game is the combat action. Now I have PoE for story and intricy and M&B for some decent combat. It does look good.

I am having a technical problem with Warband. The mouse icon is working properly when a text screen comes up. I will work on that and see if I can figure it out but not too worried right now. I will concentrate on M&B until I get the hang of the game. Controlling the horse is going to take time to learn. I had to try the Shield and Sword tutorial in M&B 3 times before I got the hang of that.

Not sure about the Japanese one right now maybe after I get bored with the base game but any thing to do with vikings if reasonably accurate (no horned helmets, please) is always a draw for me. Japanese style fighting is always fun very entertaining but it is the HEMA fighting that really interests me.

To be honest even your recommendation might not have encouraged me to get M&B but Matt Easten saying it was the one game he played (Warband I think) and that it was reasonably authenic did make me willing to take a chance.

I did take a look at the controls and felt a bit intimidated by them but it was the middle of the night by then. I did stay up all night Smile and then slept a few hours this morning.

Oh, Sue has a game she recommends for me Darksong or something like that.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:16 pm

Drakensang? I think you will probably like it. Wink

Take it easy Nakia, no rush. Mount & Blade is the perfect sandbox game and it can be daunting.

The Viking module has a more directive questline (I've barely started) so that's something to keep in mind.

There are differences between the original Mount & Blade and Mount & Blade Warband so you will have to adapt to switch between the two but it shouldn't be a big deal.

I can't say I know about the mouse problem you're having. I'm not sure I understand what's happening.

These games take some practice before you can really be good. I had taken a long break before starting playing again this weekend to try the new version of the Viking expansion and I remember being much better at fighting than I am now. Hopefully it will all come back to me (plus having decent skill levels help).

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:33 pm

I am in no rush. I think it helps as I am looking at it as a computerized board war game. Hope that makes sense.

The mouse problem is weird maybe trying to explain it will help if I need to go to the game support and tell them. The mouse works fine but when text comes up the icon sticks and I can't tell were to focus the mouse. Never had that happen before. I hope it isn't a problem with the Radeon video card, a conflict of some kind. I will check out the video settings and see if something needs to be changed. If I can't figure it out I will go to support and see if they can help.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:19 pm

I've looked around and found this topic:

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,161875.msg3915098.html#msg3915098

I don't know if it will help but it's worth a look.

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I am in no rush. I think it helps as I am looking at it as a computerized board war game. Hope that makes sense.

Makes perfect sense.

Have fun Nakia. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Mon Aug 03, 2015 7:43 pm

Thanks for the link. I do have my mouse on a custom setting. I guess I have to go to control panel and set it to default. I will try that when I am ready to concentrate on Warband. If that is the fix so be it. This is one reason I get so annoyed at people who come on a forum gripping and complaining about a game. Every game has its quirks and if we want to play the game we learn to live with its peculiarities. Since I have to adjust to things because of my eye problem I think it makes me less patient with people gripping. I am just happy there are some decent games I can play and most of all that I have friends who help and even look for games they think I might be able to play.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Mon Aug 03, 2015 8:11 pm

You're very welcome. It's always a pleasure to discuss games with you. Smile

By the way, people who complain for no reason or who don't even seem to care about actually fixing their problems tend to amuse me at first and annoy me later on.

That's why I like niche games, when the online community is made of fans they are more likely to be willing to share information and show you the ropes simply because they care about the game and want more people to play.

I'm not into multiplayer so I haven't purchased the Napoleon DLC but I can definitely see the appeal.


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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:04 pm

I love replying to people who are polite even when questioning something in a game. PoE has attracked quite an assortment of people and some are not so nice but there are a lot who are. I don't go on Steam forums anymore because there are so many what I can only call idiots.

If I can get any good at the game I might give the multiplayer a try. It might be fun to do M&B with others. Normally I don't bother with MMO because the stress is to much for me. We'll see that lies in the future. First I have to learn to control the bloody horse and stop running into things. Still need to work on fighting without a shield.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:17 pm

Practice helps and once your character has better skills riding is much more manageable.

Steam forums are filled with anyone and that's the problem, just too many idiots or rude obnoxious trolls.

I've been watching more Matt Easton videos. I like listening to people who are passionate about their subject. I don't necessarily agree on everything but he makes some very good points.

I've found a link you may like (and probably know already) just check it out:

http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Main_Page

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Tue Aug 04, 2015 1:40 am

Thanks for the link, Cara. I knew about the HEMA Alliance but not this one.

HEMA experts do differ at least partly because we don't have the continuous line of Experts and guides that the Eastern martial arts have. A lot has to be figured out from from scraps, art work and archaeological finds. Although as one woman said about archery "If it works it is the right way to do it" Smile After all something may work for one person but not work for another. For instance if a woman fighting had to go up against a man would she fight the same way? Might be similarities but I think the style would vary. What if I had to face someone with a claymore? No chance at all except to keep my distance and use a ranged weapon. Which just might include rocks.

A thought just popped into my head. Why do fantasy games insist that there have to be humans in the game? Are we so arrogrant that we believe ourselves to be the end all of creation? It is fantasy why not a world with truly different species? No those aren't rhetorical questions I really don't understand it.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:41 am

Hokay, I started a game. Male, son of a soldier, street urchin then became a squire, got wanderlust and took off. Don't know if I took the right skills etc. Str 9, gave two points to intellect and one point to Chr. I like to be liked. When it came to the skills I had some nice ones already I think so I just stuck points in skills that had 0. Horse back riding was one and archery another. Oh picked would treatment. Have a feeling I wasted a point for inventory management. This should be interesting. I am now at the Training ground. Practice makes better. The advice the trainer gives is good advice too bad some of game players don't pay attention to it. They could learn a lot from this game I think.

The graphics are pretty basic but that doesn't bother me, fancy graphics are actually hard on my eyes sometimes. Too much detail so I am fine. Turned the music down low and it is fine.

I am so glad you mentioned this game. Seems OE is having a problem with the patch and expansion which doesn't surprise me. Way back in the Kickstarter days I felt they were trying to do too much. "keep it simple, stupid." is a principle they need to learn.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Tue Aug 04, 2015 11:30 am

I'm so glad you're enjoying the game. Smile

Usually I'm a bit particular when it comes to graphics (I have a hard time with pixelated stuff) but the graphic simplicity of these games don't bother me either. I actually like what they're doing right and that includes the way the gear looks or just how levels are set.

The sequel Mount & Blade II: Bannerlord (that Mount & Blade fans have been waiting for since the release of Warband) will look prettier but it doesn't look like they're planning on going too far with that aspect:

https://www.taleworlds.com/en/Games/Bannerlord/Media

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What if I had to face someone with a claymore? No chance at all except to keep my distance and use a ranged weapon. Which just might include rocks.

An alternative would be to close in on your opponent with a short stabbing weapon so you'll get the definitive advantage. A warrior with a really big sword can't do much with it if you're too close. Keep your distance, let him overextend and lunge like a cobra (or like a guy wielding a rapier). Laughing

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Why do fantasy games insist that there have to be humans in the game? Are we so arrogrant that we believe ourselves to be the end all of creation? It is fantasy why not a world with truly different species?

I believe we can play creatures that are human like (that include dwarves, elves and halflings) but really alien creatures wouldn't work all that well (at least for most of us) simply because in the end we would only be playing a human in disguise. That's something that can already be said when it comes to common fantasy characters because they've been turned into simple stereotypes (or worse humans with a slightly altered physical appearance). Look, I have pointy ears, I must be an elf (or a vulcan). Smile

I like that Mount & Blade is all about humans with no magic, no elves, no dwarves. It helps focusing on the meat of the game.

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I started a game. Male, son of a soldier, street urchin then became a squire, got wanderlust and took off. Don't know if I took the right skills etc. Str 9, gave two points to intellect and one point to Chr. I like to be liked. When it came to the skills I had some nice ones already I think so I just stuck points in skills that had 0. Horse back riding was one and archery another. Oh picked would treatment. Have a feeling I wasted a point for inventory management. This should be interesting. I am now at the Training ground. Practice makes better.

It does indeed. Your character should be fine. Don't be afraid of experimenting a bit and starting over to see how different choices impact the game. Female characters provide some challenge considering the feudal rules so playing one should be interesting once you'll know your way around the game (I don't have much experience playing female characters but the rules change a bit).

I like having all the skills with my main guy as well but frankly being a specialist pays off (especially if you can get the right followers with skills that make up for your character's weak spots).

The riding skill especially makes a world of difference in how you can handle a horse. At lower levels it's pretty hard to direct your steed with any precision. A better horse makes a difference. The good thing is that all this is just common sense and as a result rather intuitive.

Inventory management is not necessarily a waste but you have to find loot first so you actually have something to put in your inventory. So yeah, starting out there may be better choices. The training skill is pretty effective in the long run.

Archery can be pretty good if you invest a little, get a good bow and practice. You can even use bows on horses. As you can imagine the combination is pretty effective in fights.

Mount & Blade can be played in different ways. You can be the charismatic general directing your troops on the battlefield or you can choose to wade right in and turn into a one man army juggernaut of destruction (that doesn't work all that well in certain settings especially when firearms come into play). You can do a little of both. Things really pick up when you get a decent horse and some real gear.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:45 pm

Smile Thanks for the info.  When it came to the inventory I had already done about three resets and was fairly happy with that character so decided to stick with it but I will remember not to put points there at least for now.

I saw a video of a man doing a character creation and he mentioned the problem about playing a female which he said was harder.  He choose a female for that video.    

Those are nice screenshots of the art work.  I understand the company is Turkish and it looks to me that they are going for accuracy rather than eye candy which I find a relief.  Nowena, my friend from Dragon Caption and Giskard's forums, has the Warband game but she has never played more than the tutorial.  Found it too hard.  Interesting that he sold people on the game but turned me off.    

I too like that the game is all human.  Humans come in quite a variety themselves. By the way I have one ear that is slightly pointy and both ears have very small lobes does that mean I am part elf?  Laughing

Since I am a chronic restarter I probably will restart quite a few times.  I just realized that I am not missing the voice acting.  Another point for the game I think I was getting to depend too much on voice overs.  I can manage the text as long as it doesn't flash by.

We may have thunderstorms today which could mean a power outage.  If I am not on it is either that or I am caught up in the game.  If a PoE update patch comes out I will take a look because I am curious about the Party AI scripts but probably won't really play until the expansion is released.

Now I have a game to play.

One other note. I love the overland map. I could play on it alone if I had the skills..

Question I can exit and save but is there a way to save games individually? I feel as if I were playing a semi form of Dead Man or Trial of Iron.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Tue Aug 04, 2015 2:26 pm

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By the way I have one ear that is slightly pointy and both ears have very small lobes does that mean I am part elf?

Probably, that would explain a lot! Wink

There should be a "save as" option available in the menu somewhere. I don't know if that's what you're looking for.

If you're worried about overwriting saves you could also backup the save folder just to be safe (I do it with certain games, you never know).

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I understand the company is Turkish and it looks to me that they are going for accuracy rather than eye candy which I find a relief. Nowena, my friend from Dragon Caption and Giskard's forums, has the Warband game but she has never played more than the tutorial. Found it too hard. Interesting that he sold people on the game but turned me off.

Truth be told it's an easy sell. Smile

At least if you're someone with an interest in medieval games and the willingness to put some time in it to learn the moves. There are custom settings that make fighting easier so it doesn't have to be too hard.

I like that it's low fantasy and even historical depending on the modules.

The good thing about the expansion is that they are taking their time and that's very commendable these days.

By the way there is a pirate themed standalone version entitled Caribbean! I don't have it so I can't say anything about the quality but it has mixed reviews. I'll probably pick it up on sale in the future.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:10 pm

I think I unwittingly set it to a kind of auto save rather than to a manual save. I will fix that.
By the way were should I start? Any special city or village? This game has similarities to games like PoE but it is also very different. I know it is an open world does that mean I can just choose a place and go there? If so do you remember what might be an easy start?

Help!

I will wait on the pirates until you have vetted it. Smile They can be fun but some just turn me off.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Tue Aug 04, 2015 3:26 pm

The realms in Calradia offer different troops so it will have an influence on the game but you can still move around.

Be adventurous, take your time and explore, that's part of the appeal of the game!

Talk to village elders and see if they have quests for you. Listen to rumours, check out the prices in different regions.

Last but not least, keep well informed of the latest news regarding battles and conflicts between kingdoms.

At the beginning of the game you have to be careful with your money so make sure you can pay your followers and that you have enough food. Later on you will be able to spend money more liberally.

I'll give you a hint about cattle herding, it can be challenging because you have to keep within sight of your herd but once you get how it works you can manage properly.

Your army composition will alter your speed on the map and your skills will make scouting easier or more difficult. A larger party can be nice but you may want to be able to catch up with fleeing bandits. A smaller band can do wonders if you're able to tip the scales in your favour during fights.

Be careful not to alienate every factions. If you loot a village it's good to be able to find a safe haven once you're done. In other words don't make too many enemies if you can avoid it.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Tue Aug 04, 2015 4:04 pm

I can already see that this very much a game of stratergy. It makes even PoE look dull when it comes to that. I love the story in PoE and the ambiguity of the game but this is really challenging. WOW! is all I can say. Right now I am still learning the controls. Is there a guide for this game? Do I have to buy 50 of everything? This is going to take me a lifetime I don't have to learn.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Tue Aug 04, 2015 6:05 pm

I'm no longer playing the base game but I'm sure there are guides and videos that will help if you get stuck.

The good thing is that even defeat is not really the end so don't worry too much.

Plus playing single player there is nothing wrong with taking things down a notch if the game is too difficult. Challenging is good, frustrating is not.

This game is a perfect sandbox game and you're free to do whatever you want with it. I don't know if I would compare it to PoE, to me it's a bit more like Crusader Kings 2 only with a much smaller scope but more action.

The sense of freedom is simply exhilarating. Smile

It's not that difficult to find links for Warband:

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=113493.0

http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=41201.0

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=121687291

Finding guides for the original is a bit trickier since the search engine keeps giving results for Warband...

I've found a wiki:

http://strategywiki.org/wiki/Mount%26Blade

I'd suggest looking at guides and wikis as you go so that you don't get stuck but don't cut yourself from all the action.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:05 am

Thanks for the links. I checked a user manual on Steam which had a lot of information but most I already know. Doesn't hurt to have it for reference though.

After several restarts I now have a character male, son of an impoverished noble, was a page and then a smith, lost a loved one and took up adventuring. Back to the training camp and am doing a little better. I get worn out from the battles myself. Smile. I really put myself into this game. My character is not as well rounded as my first. Archery is low but he has some other perks, more money for one thing. He has a couple of points in leadership and is a little smarter (int) than the first build. This is a game were spending time in the tutorial is well worth I think.

I am now fighting veteran warriors. Not an easy job.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:16 am

It will become easier, give it time. Smile

I'm still struggling to get back in shape, I used to be able to take on entire bands with my guy. Now in comparison I feel pretty useless but I'm getting better. Razz

I'm a big fan of INT in this game. It may not pay off directly like STR but you get more skillpoints and I never have enough of these.


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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:31 pm

I like that in the Training game you can go back to the trainer or or one of the other training areas and practice your skills even after you have mastered the fighting. Since this is a game where the player really does control what happens that is a real plus. Practice does make better. Now if I can only learn to control the horse. Smile.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:34 pm

I've played 40 or 50 something hours at Mount and blade and while I really enjoyed it, some things started to annoy the crap out of me. Mainly, my King has been at war forever and doesn't seem willing to make peace. Only we're at war with three factions right now, so it kinda sucks because I keep running all over the place trying to keep them at bay as much as I can. But right now, I feel like playing Heroes of Might and Magic all over again, where I would control the land map, with two entrances to the underworld map at opposite ends of the land map. Every god damn time I would send my army at one end, they would pop off at the other. After a while, after I stopped their army reappeared what they screwed up and prepared to go down to the underground, they would pop off the other entrance. They again. And again. And again.... Evil or Very Mad It might be chance, but I can never get the peace mission, so we're stuck in perpetual war with an idiot king.

But still, I did get married in my game, I have a few good friends among the nobles, I am the owner of 5 or 6 businesses, I am Lord of a small village as well as a big town (which I helped capture and was able to mass enough favors with the other nobles to force the King in giving me the title). I am not overly good with controlling horse combat (my swing timing really really sucks, I miss my targets 3 times out of 4... Laughing ), but with a good armored horse, I usually slam into enemy clumps to take pressure away from my infantry. And I'm a Vaegir lord and so far, our oldest enemy has been the Nords, and being mainly melee infantry, they are easy to best when you slam into them with 10-15 heavy cavalry units, followed by your infantry and archers.

I tried the Viking expansion. I really liked the setting (and the music!!!), but I found it a lot harder than the vanilla Warband. Money is a lot harder to come by, IMO, and you don't recruit as much troops (you also have to pay a lump sum to the lord (or have a good enough relationship with him) in order to recruit soldiers). Morale has also been A LOT harder to manage for me. Still, the RPG elements make for an interesting run.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:29 pm

Tri, maybe you need to increase your Cha. That seems to be the stat that counts towards recruitment.

Back to the first game I tried to find a video, no luck. Only Warband and even those I didn't find interesting. I guess I see the game as very different from others. At least I have figured out how to save the game that helps if I do something I don't want to do.

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PostSubject: Re: Mount and Blade   Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:43 pm

@Tri: sounds like you've been playing whack a mole. Wink

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Tri, maybe you need to increase your Cha. That seems to be the stat that counts towards recruitment.

Like Tri said, Viking Conquest follows a slightly different set of rules. I personally like that some things are made more difficult. It makes for a slower game and that's fine by me.

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