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| The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) | |
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Triactus Emperor
| Subject: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Tue Dec 29, 2015 7:36 am | |
| I thought I would copy Sue and make my own review. But it will likely just be a rant... . I just saw Star Wars : The Force Awakens (Literally. I just got home) and here are my first thoughts. Bare with me. I might be too hard on the movie or too soft. We'll see when I get more distance with it. And sorry if this is a long post. I have many things to say. As the title says, this post will contain many spoilers, it's written for people who have seen the movie already. I will write the rest of this post in spoiler tags, but I'm not responsible if you read on anyway. And the replies to this post (if there are any) might contain spoilers as well, so you're warned. - Spoiler:
First off the bat, I will say that I enjoyed most actors. They had chemistry, talent and a screen presence that was lacking in episodes 4-5-6.
I thought the special effects, while not ground breaking, were decent enough. I especially liked the 1000 year old pirate leader. I thought the motion and lipsynch was especially realist.
The story. Alas. When I learned George Lucas wasn't going to write the movie, I was relieved. When I learned JJ Abrams was assigned to it, I was scared. He is one of the overhyped writer/director in Hollywood today. It was as I feared. If we are to be honest, episodes 4-5-6 are not Pulitzer prize material. The stories are unlikely.But we suspend our disbelief because, while unlikely, its rooted enough in realism so that we can get behind it (yes, I know, the "torpedo shooting with a targeting computer because, y'know, Luke trusts in the Force" really strains that concept, but the other movies balance it out). With Force Awakens, the story is unrealistic. It's so over the top that it takes an iron will not to switch off.
Another good example of that concept : Die Hard 1 is unlikely (what are the odds he kills all those terrorists bare footed with 1 handgun), while Die Hard 4 is unrealistic (jumping out of a car going 100 mph so it drives up a jump to crash into a moving helicopter and promptly saying "what? I was out of bullets"). You feel for the first one because he's human. He's in a position of weakness. You feel for him. The second one is like a God. There is no danger. Same with Star Wars. You connect with Han Solo and Luke. One's a regular joe in way over his head. The second is an the epitome of a teenager (overconfident, brash, so thinks he's the shit until he gets his ass kicked). Luke only beat Vader when he compensate his weak skills and lack of training with the power of the dark side (his anger and fear).
The characters of SWFA (with the lone exception of Finn, which is mainly why he's the heart and soul of the film) are just too good at what they do. The hotshot pilot who destroys 6 enemy ships a second is just unrealistic. And my God, they took the "newbie-who-unlocks-godlike-powers-with-no-training-just-because" trope to the extreme. I mean, how can Rey mindcontrol stormtroopers, repel mind probes from a trained sith and beat the said sith in a duel out of the blue? I don't care how powerful her genes are, it took YEARS and freaking Qui Gon Jin, Obiwan and Yoda to train the Jesus of the Star Wars universe in Anakin Skywalker so he becomes a decent Jedi knight. Luke had his ass handed to him the first time he faced Vader, and that was after (weeks?) training with Jedi fracking master Yoda. Though, it might also be that Kylo absolutely sucks balls as a Sith. Jedi and Sith are supposed to be badass fighters not because they're very well trained but the Force enables their extrasensory perception. So when a random dude who has never used a sword before holds his own for a while against him is ridiculous.
The story felt like a convoluted circle road movie. Really. They fight on a sand planet. They go in space. They fight in space. They on sand planet. They fight on sand planet. They escape to space. They fight in space. They escape to forest planet. They fight on forest planet. They escape in space. They fight in space. They fight on space station/planet. C'mon...
I know references and winks at previous movies is a trend, and it's kinds cool.... IF YOU DO IT SPARRINGLY. But starting your movie over and on a sand planet, having a teenager with nothing holding her back leave the sand planet, protecting a droid with a mission, having a former scoundrel wanting nothing to do with you mission and leaving, but feeling bad over it and coming back to save the day, another Death Star, rescuing a girl that's being tortured for information, having to lower the shield generator from inside, having tiny ships having to attack it's weak point, having it destroyed seconds before it fires on the home base, Chewie leaving with a co-pilot to locate a friend while Lea stays behind with another injured friend.... a BIT much,no??
And I know 4-5-6 was confusing. Smack in the middle of an interstellar soap opera. Characters coming and going. But you didn't need an explanation because it was so clear cut. Evil empire army lording over the galaxy, good rebellion fighting for freedom. You don't need to know where they come from, you get the relation right away. Here, you have the Republic (we assume galactic government was reestablished). Then, you have the First Order. Okay, I guess they're just a terrorist organization and they just want to tear down the government to recreate the despotic rule the emperor created. But who are they? Pockets of Empire soldiers resisting against the new Republic? No, that can't be, because apparently there is another organization called the Resistance. What? Resistance against what? The First Order? Against the Republic? No, that can't be, the Republic is apparently supporting the Resistance... Ugh. And how the hell is the Republic functioning? They don't seem to have reconstructed their navy, or reappropriated their ships and soldiers from the Empire. We only see them as civilians and never in conflict with the terrorist organization that wants to destroy it or in armed support to the Resistance (I don't see how the Republic could have maintained control over the galaxy without an army). Another example is the Max Von Sydow character. He apparently knows Luke well enough to know where he is, but he is never named, we don't know where he comes from (was he in 4-5-6?). What?
The jedi lightsaber that speaks. I will not go there. That is Star Wars Holiday Special territory.
I wanted to like it. And there were some fun moments. But the best way to resume it is : all that wait for that? I mean, you can forgive episode 4, since George Lucas is a very very weak story teller. But making the same mistakes and adding new ones is unforgivable in my book.
I give it 2 stars out of 5 and I am very generous (and honestly, I am having trouble singeling this movie over the "unlikely vs unrealistic" thing when it has been a big thrend for a few years now). It changes nothing of my Star Wars films list, in order of appreciation : Return of the Jedi, Empire strikes back, New Hope and The Force Awakens.
P.S.: *Triactus looks at you. Waves a hand in front of you face* No episode 1,2 or 3 were ever made.
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| | | Sue77 Enlightened Viewer
| Subject: Re: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:08 am | |
| I loved your review Tri. Really enjoyed reading it over breakfast. The beauty of writing reviews is it's your opinion that's expressed and it's great to read something that's not totally up a fanboy's bottom. We have a program called 'Film 2015 (2016 soon) and all the critic presenters loved the film - no attempt at pulling it apart there. I remember thinking the special effects looked decent, but I was wondering how the story hung together from their discussion/glorification. It will be interesting to see what my brother makes of this film. He's a complete Star Wars nut. His wife is a Trekkie - which makes for some interesting times when discussing the relevant films . |
| | | Blood Red Eagle Son of Loki
| Subject: Re: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:16 am | |
| The missus is also a diehard Star Wars enthusiast so I will prolly end up being dragged to see it. FML.
At least it's not more LoTR bollocks. |
| | | Triactus Emperor
| Subject: Re: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Tue Dec 29, 2015 6:33 pm | |
| Thanks Sue! I didn't reread myself. I hope there weren't too many spelling and grammatical mistakes. Are you a SW fan? Have you seen the movie? Is your brother's wife a fan of the newer Star Trek movies? I am angry that JJ Abrams has destroyed what Star Trek stands for. I saw the trailer for the new ST movie and I facepalmed when I heard Beastie boys playinf amids many explosions. That's not Star Trek! Skorp, haha! I loves the first LoTR trilogy. But I haven't seen the Hobbit movies. I think it's rather insulting that they made three 3 hours movies with a book that's less than half the length of Fellowship of the ring. It screamed "MONEY GRAB" to me. |
| | | Blood Red Eagle Son of Loki
| Subject: Re: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:31 am | |
| LoTR is bollocks. It's three bloody movies of people walking to a sodding volcano. I don't understand why the missus likes it, it's bloody boring |
| | | Carabas Pole Dancer Impersonator
| Subject: Re: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:47 pm | |
| Peter Jackson messed things up with both, he didn't understand the source material.
The latest Star Wars movie is derivative and sucks despite some good acting (Finn and Kylo Ren stood out). The leading lady is the worst Mary Sue ever. The story makes even less sense than the old movies. It's all incredibly pointless. |
| | | Blood Red Eagle Son of Loki
| Subject: Re: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Thu Mar 31, 2016 11:56 pm | |
| Well, glad I passed on it then. Doesn't look like I missed much
A bigger Mary Sue than Saerileth? |
| | | Carabas Pole Dancer Impersonator
| Subject: Re: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Fri Apr 01, 2016 5:40 am | |
| Much worse but a bit more likable which doesn't make her less painful to watch. To quote a friend of mine she does walk on water. She can't fail and as a result we are no longer concerned about her fate or what happens to her. The bad guy who is supposed to be a badass gets his ass handed to him it's ridiculous and it made me feel bad for the actor who does the best he can with a bad script.
Bottom line just like Tri I'm not buying it and watching all that makes the previous movies look like freaking masterpieces (even the new trilogy and that includes Jar Jar Binks and pinball Yoda). I didn't expect anyone could be worse than Lucas with his ham handed direction but it's definitely the case here. |
| | | Triactus Emperor
| Subject: Re: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:31 pm | |
| I didn't even think any actors were good in that movie. To be fair, I wouldn't say there are bad acotrs. It's just the script that's horrid. The Finn humour seemed too forced to me, I didn't buy it.
What baffles me more than I can say, is why on earth would a studio that is plunging hundred of millions of dollars in a production NOT hire a good scriptwriter?? Saying that doesn't make sense is an euphemism. It was the same criticism I had for Avatar. Why does big budget movie have to equal poor script? I understand studios don't want to make a Star Wars that centers around a character that must confront the parents that abused him as a child or a Star Wars that's about the meaning of life in a war torn country. I get it. But having 50 plots holes is just unacceptable. It reeks of lazyness and greed. |
| | | Carabas Pole Dancer Impersonator
| Subject: Re: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Fri Apr 01, 2016 6:01 pm | |
| Why should they bother with scripts? These days all you need is a young female playing the leading role of the gifted girl who can't fail. It's the old chosen one thing all over again. I'm not pissed because they are girls, my problem is that they are the chosen ones simply because of their genes, some prophecy or both. It's the same thing with Divergent and so many movies these days.
Luke was something of a chosen one but he still had to train and even then he would get his ass kicked and end up being maimed.
What Abrams and his pals don't seem to realize is that you can't have a hero that is so perfect because it makes everything boring.
Rey is a terrible character because she can't fail. Anakin was almost as bad but his pride was his undoing and he was his worst enemy (plus he got a serious defeat at the hands of Count Dooku). Rey doesn't have that flaw. Her only problem is her abandonment issues and that's not a big deal considering that despite being stranded on a desert planet she knows all there is to know about flying and repairing the Millenium Falcon but also enough of alien languages so that she understands droids and Chewbacca... Plus the first time she uses a lightsaber she is able to defeat a Sith who was known for killing all of Luke's apprentices.
The sad part is that she can't grow as a character. Luke did grow during and between movies. In a New Hope he is a talented but rash teenager who dreams of flying but in Return of the Jedi he has become a Jedi knight and is more mature.
There is absolutely no room left for Rey to grow in such a way.
The sad part is that Kylo Ren suffers as a result. He is not a menace at all but he comes across as an angry brat with daddy issues. I actually like the way he was portrayed by the actor who brings some vulnerability and plays convincingly the turmoil of a character who is at odds with himself, alternating between senseless rage and soft spoken remarks that are quickly followed by more rage. There may be some teenage angst at play but it works at least until he gets beaten by a skinny young girl with no formal training. It's hard to take him seriously after that.
Finn is flawed because considering the conditioning he must have endured it is highly unlikely for him to act like he does. His other problem is that he is totally irrelevant because Rey doesn't need him for anything (she already has her pet wookie, her spaceship and by the end a mentor). The same goes for Poe the pilot who is just a sidekick.
In the original trilogy supporting characters had reasons for sticking around but that's simply not the case here.
Last but not least the Starkiller weapon is so overkill it's ridiculous. The original Death Star was enough going beyond that is just being silly... |
| | | Carabas Pole Dancer Impersonator
| Subject: Re: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Sun Apr 03, 2016 12:00 pm | |
| There is one big thing we haven't tackled yet and that's the fact that the last movie makes the entire trilogy pointless. The Alliance is now the Resistance but that's pretty much what it boils down to (and the Empire is now the First Order). Defeating Palpatine didn't put an end to Stormtroopers and Death Stars. Luke's attempt to bring back the Jedi order didn't work any better than Obi Wan's attempt to train Anakin. In many ways Luke failed just as his mentor had failed before him. It's disheartening to consider that everything that happened in the original trilogy is negated by the status quo that the new movie keeps underlying. Why even bother?
It doesn't help either that the big bad guy is a nebulous alien looking shadow devoid of any of the features that made Palpatine interesting in both trilogies. The bad guy does come across as the weakest link. It's hard to feel anything when all you're seeing is a cgi villain that come across as incredibly formulaic. |
| | | Triactus Emperor
| Subject: Re: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:19 pm | |
| I agree. I think you hit the nail on the head with two words: "status quo". Studios hate change. I guess they wanted the SW universe to feel like an old shoe and have it exactly how it was last time we saw it. I think it would have been so much more interesting to have the roles reversed (i.e. the rebel alliance is now the governing body while the remainants of the Empire are the rebels). It would have been an easy way to start on a new basis while keeping beloved characters.
Same thing with Han Solo. Having him back in the smuggler scoundrel role cheapens his character arc from the trilogy. It's as if he didn't learn anything from the previous movies. |
| | | Carabas Pole Dancer Impersonator
| Subject: Re: The Force Awakens - review/rant (SPOILERS) Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:18 pm | |
| Definitely, it's the reason why I didn't care when Han Solo - Spoiler:
kicked the bucket
because he had turned into an embarrassment and a failure. There were so many expectations regarding his character after Return of the Jedi, seeing him act as a smuggler was such a letdown. |
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